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Progression of Lunacy....a pictorial documentary and random discussion

BroHay said:
no it does not look bad, but I know through the course of normal riding, scratches will become noticeable.

I played with some clearcoats today, and did not like the initial outcome. I really don't want to break out the big guns (HVLP) because I was trying to see if I could really save money over having a shop do it.

I know the gloss has some enamels in it that would offer a little better protection, but I like the look of the satin black....still have some more experimenting to do.

but in the meantime....

ya barely rub, and you leave a mark/scratch....
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Listen Adam you've come this far so just go ahead and take it all apart and have the frame professionally powder coated. If you don't do it now you'll have to go through all this again in the Winter when it's cold so just get it over with ;) And the durability is so much better with the powder coating as compared to the paint...
 
yeah, but with such activities comes a depletion of funds, but what the heck.....I have not spent money on the bike in over year and it is not like I'm going to be parting with it anytime in the immediate future.

As I experienced with the EXUP cables, it just becomes a matter of making sure the routing is maintained.

I'm going to mark everything with tape, video, and photo so that there is a bread crumb trail to put it all back together again.

going to need to track down a bearing pack for the swing arm, and I may just buck up and do the wheels to.

still looking for some insight on how to cradle the engine once it is removed. Any suggestions??
 
BroHay said:
yeah, but with such activities comes a depletion of funds, but what the heck.....I have not spent money on the bike in over year and it is not like I'm going to be parting with it anytime in the immediate future.

As I experienced with the EXUP cables, it just becomes a matter of making sure the routing is maintained.

I'm going to mark everything with tape, video, and photo so that there is a bread crumb trail to put it all back together again.

going to need to track down a bearing pack for the swing arm, and I may just buck up and do the wheels to.

still looking for some insight on how to cradle the engine once it is removed. Any suggestions??
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Adam, you can just fab up a 2x4 cradle spec'd out with the engine and frame off the ground as you have it now. Then cradle the motor and with the frame tube removed, you should be able to pull the frame "back and to one side", leaving the motor sitting in the cradle. At least it works in my head, but it seems feasable.
 
yeah, after tinkiering around with some of the clear coats today, methinks that I'll have to gut it up and break down the frame proper for powder coating.
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Frikken horay lol

now here's a tip when ya go to the powder coaters (shop around) take a piccie of the frame and arm together as taking them seperate they will price as to jobs and cost more

Ask on here or elseware re bearings i knocked mine out and took them to local bearing supplier much cheaper than yamaha think mine were skf

Also ask the p/coater to see there color chart or look online
also try to pick a p/coater who has a clue wot a bike is lol as they will no to mask up the bearing area's as it's a pain trying to clean up after just cause this guy was cheaper

luke
 
Devilsyam said:
also try to pick a p/coater who has a clue wot a bike is lol as they will no to mask up the bearing area's as it's a pain trying to clean up after just cause this guy was cheaper

luke
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+1 You will likely find a powder coater that does bike regularly and will be ver familiar with how to properly mask everything off.
 
I'm with the guys here Adam. Your this far now so it only makes sense to take all the parts in to PC and be done with it. :D You'll be a ton happier in the end!
 
Engine removal ia simples take the side cradle off and roll over onto a sofa cousin or chunk of foam and lift the frame off refitting is reverse
 
Bearings

OK, so I've shopped around and with the items I'm looking to powdercoat, the price is about 400.00.

Frame/Swingarm/Side covers/Wheels

Now, I have a service manual, but it does not give great depth of information, but my question is this:

Without having experience removing, can the wheel/swing arm bearings be salvaged or any attempt to extract will cause the need to replace??

Also, looking at the 'special tools' description in the service manual, I do not see anything listed for pulling the bearings. Can someone steer me in the right direction as to what fits the bill?

just trying to get my short list of parts needed rounded up and may decide to do the wheels after this season...

TIA,
Adam
 
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BroHay said:
OK, so I've shopped around and with the items I'm looking to powdercoat, the price is about 400.00.

Frame/Swingarm/Side covers/Wheels

Now, I have a service manual, but it does not give great depth of information, but my question is this:

Without having experience removing, can the wheel/swing arm bearings be salvaged or any attempt to extract will cause the need to replace??

Also, looking at the 'special tools' description in the service manual, I do not see anything listed for pulling the bearings. Can someone steer me in the right direction as to what fits the bill?

just trying to get my short list of parts needed rounded up and may decide to do the wheels after this season...

TIA,
Adam
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Considering the cost of the bearings and seals I don't think that trying to save them is a wise idea. It's easy enough to damage them so new replacements are the way to go. And while you're at it you might want to do the steering stem bearings as well. A good time to switch to the tapered roller bearings. As far as removing the bearings a long drift and ball peen hammer are your friends ;)
 
BroHay said:
To knock them out is one thing.

How about install?
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Well what I normally use is a socket that's the same diameter as the outer race and just tap on the socket until the bearing fully seats. The same method can be used for the dust seals by using a socket that fits close to the diameter of the seal. Just make sure you don't hit the inner bearing race or you'll risk damage to the bearing.
 
I cry uncle....

So I'm on the hunt for misc bits on bearing removal.

I'm pretty confident on the removal/install of the wheel bearings. Use a long punch/drift to knock out and similar sized socket to re-install going around the outer edges.

But where I'm at a loss is the steering bearings/race. I hopefully know more today once I drop the engine and can actually remove the steering to see how it all goes together, but my question is this.

Service manual shows using a flat bar to remove the bearing from the stem. Easy enough, but how do you reinstall?

Does one have to go to a shop to have it done, or is there something that is available for the DIY'er?

TIA,
Adam

and Billy, you tube is giving me more information to be confident in tackling such tasks without having to run to the stealer to perform the work at ungodly pricing.....
 
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Ok, can someone give me the skinny as to why the swingarm bearings cost 250.00 to R/r before part?

I wad trying to price cost of them vs me purchasing my own tools. I try to look for reasons to spend money in my local shops, but not at these prices. If it truly is a time consuming proces, the swing atm will stay au naturals.

Wanted to charge me 2 hours for the wheel bearings. I can pick up a setup for one hours worth of labor.
 
Adam no biggy i stuck mt swinging are in the oven then out and poured cold water on the bearing gentle tap and out they come
took them to local bearing services for a match and were as cheap as chips
 
BroHay said:
So I'm on the hunt for misc bits on bearing removal.

I'm pretty confident on the removal/install of the wheel bearings. Use a long punch/drift to knock out and similar sized socket to re-install going around the outer edges.

But where I'm at a loss is the steering bearings/race. I hopefully know more today once I drop the engine and can actually remove the steering to see how it all goes together, but my question is this.

Service manual shows using a flat bar to remove the bearing from the stem. Easy enough, but how do you reinstall?

Does one have to go to a shop to have it done, or is there something that is available for the DIY'er?

TIA,
Adam

and Billy, you tube is giving me more information to be confident in tackling such tasks without having to run to the stealer to perform the work at ungodly pricing.....
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Adam, take a look on here for some pics from when we did Billy's steering stem bearings:

http://www.998cc.org/forum/bar/7962-official-busted-knuckle-garage-thread.html

I used a Dremel with a small cutoff wheel to cut through the steering stem bearing. There was no way that sucker was coming off using the pry bar method that Yamaha mentioned in the manual. I then used the same bearing collar to install the new one, by using a long piece of pipe over the steering stem. As for the races, again use a drift to knock them out. Freeze the new races for a few hours in the freezer to make them easier to install. I like to use the old races to install the new ones. Just place the old one over the new one and tap on with a hammer. They will both be the same diameter so it makes it easy. Good luck ;)
 
Bearing Bushing Remover Dirt Bike Motorcycle ATV Tool - (item 170569042974 end time Apr-19-11 16:34:26 PDT)

Is what I'm pondering for the bearing removal (wheel/swingarm)

OR maybe

Motorcycle Blind Bearing & Bridge Puller Remover - eBay (item 390298802506 end time Mar-25-11 22:58:55 PDT)

not quite sure what the bridge puller is, but can it be used on the bike (or for what purpose)?


I still am looking for a venue for a good drift (Tony?)


for the steering races

Motorcycle Steering Head Bearing Race Remover - eBay (item 250505112741 end time Apr-20-11 06:21:58 PDT)

and I'm ready to take to the powdercoater

I did not get a final progress shot, but frame is bare

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Well, I called my local shop to confirm pricing on the extraction of the bearings for the swingarm, and I told them that everything is disassemble and they do not have to break anything down......and yet their price held @ 250.00.

before I started tinkering around with bikes, I'd probably bought their BS story and just paid the $$$$$. Not going to do it ANYMORE!
 
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