Lurker Contributions

One of the challenges of these forums is getting the quiet members or even the lurkers to contribute. Everyone has something to share. The challenge is to get them to realize that all their personal and financial information won't be compromised, they won't be ridiculed, and even an anecdote or two would be appreciated. Many forums exist with the same 30-40 members doing most of the posting even though their membership is usually over 200.

On my maxiscoot board I just changed up some of the "rankings by post count" just to try to encourage more participation from our quieter members but for the life of me I haven't really figured out a good solution. I posted this over there just to get the ball rolling:




I had a story from the old forum about the monikers but it is lost, along with all the information from that time. But I recreated it, to best of my memory:


On March 1rst Norm joins the MaxiScoot forum. Registration and signup goes well but Norm realizes early on he has been labeled “New” Member and that 100 posts are necessary to rid him of this moniker at which point he will then be known as an “Advanced” Member. General Scooter or motorcycle knowledge apparently does not figure in to the advancement process, which is good because Norm has none.

On April first Norm begins to add to his posts, mostly by responding to other people’s original threads. Still, having little to no knowledge of motorized 2 wheelers Norm finds this a difficult task. He begins by quoting other members pearls and then adding “+1” realizing this simple response will yield him a post. Later on he demonstrates his command of the English language by saying such things as “That was very interesting” and “That happened to me once too.”

Bereft of any real knowledge of scooters Norm begins working early in the morning (that’s 10 AM for us retired folks) to deep into the night (that’s 10 PM for us retired folks) eschewing his responsibilities as a husband, a father, and a Golden Retriever owner to obtain the magic 100 posts. His quest for such becomes amplified when he realizes that even a simple emoticon, such as a smiley face will garner a post.

On or about May 1rst Dave Karpman (the owner at that time) becomes cognizant that one of his members has been posting inane comments and rhetoric that is completely devoid of useful scooter information and, worse yet, that this dullard will be crowned an “Advanced Member” if he does not intervene soon. Unfortunately Norm is up to 90 some-odd posts so he must act fast. Dave realizes that his own reputation as a responsible forum owner, credible rider, and brilliant creator of a compendium of scooter knowledge is at stake if Norm achieves the “Advanced” moniker.

On or about May 5th Dave begins reworking the software to stop Norm. The software proves inflexible but a timely epiphany allows Dave to create a new wastebasket of monikers for members with 100 to 120 posts and he aptly names them “Scooter Losers” since only Norm will fall into this quantity of posts. This will give Dave more time to investigate the software glitch that is keeping him from altering the member ranking.

That same day however the forum software becomes self-aware and decides to ignore Dave’s inspired intervention. Oblivious to further inputs the forum software promotes Norm to “Advanced” member at 100 posts while Dave starts pulling his hair out and furiously contacting other forum owners to mitigate the certain fallout from this action as well as unwittingly promoting scooter morons everywhere to join his forum.




I remember when I first wrote this, very early on in my MaxiScoot career, Maggie (who I love for many reasons but particularly for her candor) was one of the first responders, saying something like “Well that was a waste of 15 minutes of my life that I’ll never get back,” Similar comments followed and I was fearful that further stories really would get me thrown off until a reputable member, AvaChava (Earl), stated something like “Am I the only one that gets this? That was very funny.” (I do miss Earl. Are you out there Ava?) After that more positive comments rolled in, including Brandon (WITF) and Travis, who also taught me to create small paragraphs so my meanderings could more easily be read since I had no breaks in the story, just one long paragraph.

This was one of my first attempts to be a contributing member to a virtual community but I am replicating the story as I may be able to draw out our quiet members. Remember, even an emoticon will be appreciated as well as contribute towards your promotion of rank. Unlike the military or professorial community you can’t be passed over in our place, lol.
 
:+1: That is very interesting... :D

I don't know if I'd call myself a "lurker"...I guess by some standards I am. A lot of it has to do with what I consider to be "useful input", and also maybe due to the fact that I really only stay & play on the boards Wed-Sat (those are my work days, and I don't have reliable access to a computer at home the off days).

I really do enjoy this site as opposed to the other motorcycle site I like to frequent (which is a "sportbike.net"work...closely named to that...haha), but in the time that I have been a member of that one compared to this one, I have felt that I receive and give more useful input here. I am probably in the middle between a commonly useful poster and a lurker...and for now I am ok with that. I am not here to get "rankings" or whatever, but to learn about our motorcycle that we all have in common, and also maybe occasionally I have something useful to share about it. That is what makes it fun!

This is a really good community, and although being relatively new to the forum, I feel as though I fit in (whether I do or not, don't tell me...let me live in my blissful world)! :retard:
 
Funny to think of Norm not contributing. I'm happy you stuck with it, graduated to "Advanced" and then graduated to an FZ1 and Connie 14.

I had a similar experience on my first forum (Stargate SG-1) in trying to "build rank" through post count. I've never really paid attention to it here, but now I feel the pressure (thanks) LOL (not really)

I hope this draws out the lurkers. I assure you that most will not have a bad word to say for any post with merit such as (but not limited to) real questions (no matter how dumb it might make you feel to ask), just about any humor and personal stories. The few poor responses I've seen here to such matters are quickly met with polite reprimands from the excellent moderators. (thanks to you all for that).

What was your first forum?
 
My first forum was Gunks.com. It was and is a forum dedicated to rock climbing in the Shawangunks just out side of New Paltz NY. This how I came up with the screen name I currently use. I posted there so much I had my own title. I met a lot of friends that I still have from that site and got to meet and climb with people from all over the world. Its a shame I havent been climbing the last few years. Yes this is me a couple of years ago.
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My first motorcycle forum was triumpht595.net I think its triumph torque now. It was a good site. One thing is for sure I'm glad I havent come across a site like the scooter site. Mine banning would be in quick order. I would have found another site. I really don't care about my title as long as no one makes fun of me.
Is this post even relevant to the conversation IDK , guess it just my usual dribble.:drools:
 
Funny story about my first forum. It was BurgmanUSA, otherwise known as BUSA and has a huge following. At the time they had a guy named Snave which apparently was his "real" name spelled backwards: (Simon) Evans. He said he was from Great Britain, was a motorcycle expert of the most extreme level, had ridden 1,000,000 miles on bikes and was a contributor to several reputable motorcycle magazines as well as an inspirational mind for motorcycle designers. He had the whole site bamboozled into thinking he was a God but early on I recognized his arrogance and ignorance. Although he was not an admin or a moderator the site gave him many special privileges to patrol certain discussion groups as well as write motorcycle dogma in several places on the site, meant for ignoramuses like me.

Well one day a member said he came to a rocky road and wanted to know the bet way to handle this on the scoot. The first response by someone I don't remember was really the best which said something like "Don't ride your scooter on rocks you dumbass, it wasn't made for that!"

Snave chimed in saying the best thing to do was to stand up on your scooter since that transferred all your weight to your feet which then, resting on the floorboards, would shift the center of gravity way down and make your scooter and you safer on an unstable surface.

I'm not a physicist but at Penn (University of Pennsylvania) I created my own major (which at the time we were allowed to do) and it was approved by the authorities as being an acceptable premed major. Instead of tons of biology I took tons of math and physics courses, which I loved. I even began tutoring physics in college to other students and to local high school kids.

I told Snave my qualifications and kindly (the first time) informed him that was not the way things worked. He was startled that anyone would challenge him, let alone some new guy. He tried to confuse me by talking "cantilevers"
and such and then I asked him where he went to college. Well he actually admitted he never went to college and informed me that of course all the most brilliant people never went to college.

Not having much of a grip on virtual communities I began getting warnings from the moderators to leave this topic alone. Snave seemed to want the last word, and yes, I am that childish that I couldn't let it be. I challenged him to send this entire thread to any University Professor of his choice. If he was right I'd quit and he'd never hear from me again. If I was right he would resign. The members began chiming in that whatever Snave says is gospel and they would all stand up on their scooters on bad surfaces and that I, Norm, was indeed a retart. A few guys from England even threatened to come over here and personally kick Norm's ass.

I then wrote the following, which amazingly, is still on the site amazingly and soon after was kicked off. A few months later my duel had apparently fueled a lot of lurkers/less involved members to start challenging the great and almighty Snave. It was soon revealed that Snave was indeed insane and he was banned from the site and I received a message simply stating I was reinstated. I've never posted there again however because the same owners and moderators patrol the site. Snave has gone on to become an infamous infestation of many forums, including pilot forums, if you can believe it. He probably holds the record for being thrown off the most forums. I recognize him in his various incarnations as he finally at least became smart enough to use new aliases. There's no missing his arrogant style and there were at least 2 members on our scooter forum that I ejected and believed they were Snave. My dissertation from all those years ago:

BillMeek’s preface notwithstanding there is something that needs to be said at this time. If this risks my membership then so be it. My feeling is that I would not want to be a part of something that is afraid of the truth. If this reply does result in that eventuality then I leave the readers with this thought: Do you really want to participate in a club or group that censors any challenges or criticism of their leadership? That said I believe we all know now that the answer to the question “which way does the center of gravity go when a rider stands up on his scooter” is “It is Raised, not lowered”. We also know that this was the one and only question under debate. Try as he may to dazzle us with his brand of science, Simon brought all kinds of confounding information into play. I remained firm on my position and you are now seeing further replies to support this. If there is still a question then this should be referred to a certified professional, which in this case would be either a mechanical engineer or a physicist. Simon began talking about pegs, motor cross, and his own extraordinary experience in the motorcycle field. Realizing his previously unchallenged position as a professor of everything was being threatened he then began to impugn my riding abilities though I never misrepresented my experience. I think it is becoming more obvious that Simon’s grandiose postings are not only outright false but in serious danger of misleading other more impressionable riders. If you reread this thread you will be lead to believe by Simon that when you get to a gravel road on your scooter you should stand up to lower the center of gravity and thus be safer. Our forum members in what Simon would view as their “simplistic” view commented that one should slow down (and not stand up) and be ready to put your feet out if need be. This may be simplistic but of course this is very sound advice. I believe that no more than 2% of the readership of this forum possesses the skill to accelerate as the scooter is slipping so as to right it again. Indeed I do not believe there is a scooter manufacturer in the world that would endorse standing on your scooter while you and it are in motion no matter what the road conditions. We are not talking about motocross professionals navigating a ridiculous terrain by sacrificing center of gravity to gain greater shock absorbance and pivoting abilities through their legs. We are talking about a recommendation to the readership of BurgmanUSA.com. We are talking about scooter riders standing on their platforms while their vehicle is in motion over an unstable surface. This my friends is the one and only issue. I am not so much concerned by Simon’s ramblings as I am about such as Simon having the Imprimatur of this website, conferring moderator/staff status on him and thus risking the unsuspecting readership following his pseudoscience…in this case standing on your scooter while riding on a gravel road. What is most important to take from this thread is the realization that the integrity of the Burgman USA site will suffer when they allow their leadership the ability to proffer false and unqualified claims.
 
First, I wanted to exclaim the brilliance of Norm's musings. The first post is particularly funny. Although I did not get quite so descriptive with the FZ8 forum, I did change the titles there to reflect the following. I'm considering changing this list to reflect engine sizes by the cc starting with a 49cc class:

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Regarding the second story, I love it when the Almighty Forum specialists get their comeuppance and are finally squelched. I'm no expert but when I'm wrong and called out, I openly apologize for my mistake which may have mislead members. Well done Norm!
 
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Now you've done it . . ..

I have gone into 'LURK' mode . . . . all in the hopes that Norm will ply his talent, and , , , bring me back . . . ... in?, maybe?, mmmhhhh ?
 
I try not to be a "lurker". It just so happens that i'm not as knowledgeable as some of you on the FZ1. I do try to help where I can and I make the occasional post,even though they don't get much attention either. That aside..I love this forum and there are a bunch of Great people here. Hopefully the longer I own my baby the more I can contribute to this site.
 
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