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Slightly modified Triumph Scrambler. At least it would offer a bit different area of the bike world, and go anywhere you would want it to.
 
That is a neat bike. I had never even heard of it.

Wasn't a big seller here in the US. Not only was it ahead of it's time, but it was "naked" so people passed it. Sort of what happens with the FZ1. Why do you think Yamaha never imported the FZ1-N here?
 
Got the internet going. So here's my review: As I figured the owner offered me a ride on the new 2012. Said he'd get the paperwork going and then I'd give him the thumbs up or down after the ride. I countered with: "Let me ride the 2004 GL1800 out front with 66,000 miles on it." He was reticent to do so because he said it wouldn't give me the nice "tight feeling" of the newer bike etc, but then his wife, who works with him at the dealership said "Just let the doc take the old bike like he wants to." So off I went. The sales guy Jamie really knew his stuff. He said after riding the C14 the only thing I needed to know was how to use the reverse mode and that the majority of weight is in the front so the bike tends to fall into turns pretty easy.

That was an understatement. He watched me leave and I made a sharp right at slow speed and the bike was drawn to the ground like a giant electromagnet pulling on it. I goosed the throttle and brought it back up nicely. Later he said "I thought you were gonna lose it for a minute but lucky you did the right thing and powered your way back up rather than panic, cut throttle, or worse, apply the brakes." Experience counts for sure. My brain quickly adjusted to this minor quirk of weight distribution and I had no trouble after this. The bike is luxurious for sure. It is virtually car-like in its ride and turns reasonable well. I then put it through some paces, especially accelerating hard, leaning harder, passing, etc. I purposely put myself in a position that only reverse or two circus strong men could get me out of and reverse worked like a charm. Why doesn't all our bikes have this feature???

Right after the ride I got back on my C14 and loved the C14 even more. Here's the catch: Yes the big GW moves nice, but more like a car with a big V-8. I can pass cars fast but nowhere near the lightning speed of either of my bikes. Yes the GW turns well for such a huge bike but can't touch the C14, FJR, and other such bikes. It's simply too big, too low, and the floor boards would be scraping constantly. The miracle of making a 1000 pound bike feel lighter than bikes half its size is simply engineering brilliance. I can't believe how easy it is to ride this bike which took me all of 30 seconds to be totally comfortable as opposed to the C14 which took the better part of 4-6 months to find its tremendous potential when moving and harder still, improve my balancing skills moving it around in tight spaces with ots high seating position and relatively high COG. I learned to evaluate every grade when considering parking and with a super low seat height and reverse this simply isn't necessary on the GW.

My final evaluation: If I had millions I'd get one because they're so darn handsome. Otherwise there are only 2 reasons I would like it better than my C14: regular long distance trips, like riding to see my daughter every month, or having a dedicated pillion. Bill suggested Yogi. Right now, despite being known as the fifth smartest dog his most skilled trick seems to be running towards me at 15 MPH and jabbing his nose into my testicles. He also likes coming at me from the other direction obviating the need for regular colonoscopy. So he's not quite ready for prime time so to speak.

The sales guy also suggested, since I had no regular pillion, picking up a 2011 new Vaquero 1700 which he claims will give me the same ride at half the price. I don't care for the looks to much but it's something to think about because this 2012 GW with Navi and sales tax, OTD is about $28,500. I could get a nice Mini Cooper for that. Ah, decisions...
 
Norm,

That sure is a spot on evaluation of the Goldwing! It's a hell of a bike and something I would consider owning at some point but I really don't see the point of plonking down almost $30000. There are so many great bikes out there for way less, forget that!

I still think you should get a motard. Everyone should own one at some time in their life!

So what's next on the hit list for you?
 
Sounds like you've talked yourself out of the $30k bike/car, but if you are looking in that direction, I really think you'd like the BMW K1600GT/GTL better. That new inline 6 looks to be a killer engine, and it really has some great innovations...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-DYOUhgCrU&hd=1]2012 BMW K1600GTL vs. 2012 Honda Gold Wing Shootout - YouTube[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTJz7JZV99M]BMW K1600 TEST RIDE & OVERVIEW 22-03-2011 - YouTube[/ame]

The GTL is the GW version with full luggage, a bit more upright, etc and the GT is more C14 competition. I'd have one of them if I had the money. The headlight turns around the corner...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdyNdlw8zaA]BMW K1600GT adaptive headlights - YouTube[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vNESfn3nYw]BMW K1600GT Adaptive Headlight In Actual Use - YouTube[/ame]

I just didn't know if you'd looked into one of these.
 
Norm, I'm glad you got to try one out and sort your feelings about the deal. The GW sure is a luxurious ride and is the perfect bike for long haul trips but the C14 can live up to this but with a Sport feel as well. I'll be there in just over a week. We can look around for the third set of two wheels, something that would satisfy the mix of riders you have as friends.

As for Yogi? I'm going to the sports store before flying in. I think I'll wear a cup while visiting! :D (And never turn my back on pointy-nose! Hahahaha!
 
Sounds like you've talked yourself out of the $30k bike/car, but if you are looking in that direction, I really think you'd like the BMW K1600GT/GTL better. That new inline 6 looks to be a killer engine, and it really has some great innovations...
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I test rode the K16000GT last Summer and it's one nice sport touring machine. The GTL adds the hard cases and a few other things. I really didn't get a chance to play with all the electronic gadgets onboard, but it's one smooth tourer and that engine is so smooth and torquey...wow. I would take it over a GW myself if I was in the market for that type of bike.
 
Sounds like you've talked yourself out of the $30k bike/car, but if you are looking in that direction, I really think you'd like the BMW K1600GT/GTL better. That new inline 6 looks to be a killer engine, and it really has some great innovations...

2012 BMW K1600GTL vs. 2012 Honda Gold Wing Shootout - YouTube
BMW K1600 TEST RIDE & OVERVIEW 22-03-2011 - YouTube

The GTL is the GW version with full luggage, a bit more upright, etc and the GT is more C14 competition. I'd have one of them if I had the money. The headlight turns around the corner...

BMW K1600GT adaptive headlights - YouTube
BMW K1600GT Adaptive Headlight In Actual Use - YouTube

I just didn't know if you'd looked into one of these.

Good thought! I'll wait for Eric and we will scour craigslist for a third cheap bike to have 2 visitors at a time.
 
Given the mixture of Norm's friends and their skills and then take into consideration some physical attributes and limitations, well, I think he should consider a middle tier bike that has some flexibility.

Couple of things to keep in mind when suggesting a bike:

Norm is in central Atlantic-Coast Florida. Canyon carving isn't an option nor are high speeds (in most places).

A few of his friends have a shorter inseam than others so the bike should either be low already or capable of being lowered easily.

Some of these riders aren't as experienced thus the bike should be relatively inexpensive to repair or replace. It shouldn't be an over-powered bike in the event someone becomes ham-fisted.

This gives us a pretty good idea of the class of bikes that he should be interested in for the third set of wheels. One that comes to mind is the SV650, a standard with handlebars. Not too much power, upright seating that is comfortable, can carve should a corner appear on a ride, is easy to repair with an abundance of parts and aftermarket goodies for this ageless model, is light-weight as a rule, and can be easily lowered and raised.... At least something along these lines anyway... what say you all? :tup:
 
It's a great suggestion and I don't know anyone (even veteran riders) that doesn't like the SV650. Any of my friends who have tried it love it.

Part of the reason I decided to switch from the FZ1 to the SV was just pure randomness as I'm inclined to do; the other part was to satisfy a latent
curiosity of this very celebrated bike.

Granted, it doesn't have the power of the FZ but it more than makes up for it with character and a great engine note. As I'm sure our Hawk aficionados will concur, a lightweight naked twin with a decent chassis is a hell of a fun ride and is managable for anyone with a modicum of skill.

I'm not head-over-heels in love with my SV but it is a great bike through and through. It can handle anything I throw at it and then some. A few hundred bucks in suspension mods was all I needed to transform the bike into a very competent handler as well.

Funny, at 13 months ownership, it's also the longest I've ever owned a bike by quite some margin. That says a lot as I'm usually keen to try something new
 
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FZ8, I like it. Versys sits a little tall, which I had no trouble with but shorter than me won't work real well. The SV is a solid contender by reputation but I've never tried it.
 
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