jmc
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Maybe lose one or two of your helmet cams
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really? What about the cracked frames? Yamaha did nothing pro-active, leaving it up to the customer to call them.
It seems to me that there are always examples of corps putting profit ahead of safety. Profits when every time and you know it as well as i. And selling inventory is more profitable than throwing them out.
Good point
" and which is it? No degradation or significant degradation? Your position was that there wasnt any noticeable degradation. Those 2 qualifiers are significantly different."
No significant degradation.... As in 99.9% of street riders could never tell the difference. I think i was pretty clear about that.
"Ive never claimed to be anyone other than who i am. I can tell the difference when i raced (again, back in the day). And whether or not you can "tell the difference" is the tire, it will effect the handleing, leading to uncertainty as to what the cause is, i.e. Our op."
I'm sure top level racers could and would notice a a small loss of performance.............. And i bet if i gathered everyone of them we could all fit on a bus to Atlantic City .
"You either missed the point or dont want to admit it. It doesnt matter what bike its on. Its the feel that it imparts. A fresh tire handles better than an older tire. "
I'd bet my bottom dollar 99.999999% of street riders could never tell a 2 day from a 2 year old tire if blindfolded
( a properly stored tire )
"what "special coating" is there? You mean the mold release?"
( not my statement )
"a few yrs (decades) ago i was the metzler tire rep for cycle gear at sears point. "
And this is why your not getting my point. I'm talking about street tires for street bikes, ridden on the street by street riders.
Your stuck in a racer mindset right now :d:d:d
"while things might have changed a bit, the basics are still true. Tires are like bread, better when fresh."
Maybe lose one or two of your helmet cams
What "special coating" is there? You mean the mold release?
A few yrs (decades) ago I was the Metzler tire rep for Cycle Gear at Sears Point. While things might have changed a bit, the basics are still true. Tires are like bread, better when fresh.
I'm not even gonna act like I'm a tire pro, but I've been told that the reason you take it easy on new tires is they have a coating on them to help keep them from degrading until you ride them and wear it off. If that true... well now I don't know
Either way, this has derailed a bit from the OP question.
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Anyone pushing hard enough on the street to notice the small loss in performance of an older properly stored tire ......... Well its a moot point ............. He's going to be dead soon anyway !!!
"a few yrs (decades) ago i was the metzler tire rep for cycle gear at sears point. "
And this is why your not getting my point. I'm talking about street tires for street bikes, ridden on the street by street riders.
Your stuck in a racer mindset right now :d:d:d
I'm not even gonna act like I'm a tire pro
Thank you for taking the time to contact us with your Dunlop motorcycle tire questions. Dunlop Motorcycle Tire does NOT use a "mold releasing agent" during the production of our tires. When new tires are fitted, they should not be subjected to maximum power, abrupt lean-over or hard cornering until a reasonable run-in distance of approximately 100 miles has been covered. This will permit the rider to become accustomed to the feel of the new tires or tire combination, find the edge, and achieve optimum road grip for a range of speeds, acceleration and handling use.
Be sure to check and adjust inflation pressure to recommended levels after the tire cools for at least three (3) hours following run-in. Remember, new tires will have a very different contact patch and lean-over edge. New tires, mixing a new tire with an used tire, and mixing tread pattern
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Pirelli does not use mold release. Tires are shiny because the general buying public demands that visually a tire look cool, smooth, shiny, and new when they shop for tires in the rack at the dealer. We rely on the smoothness of the mold to get this appearance and to help the tire let go from the mold during production.
I like to say tires are like new shoes, MX boots, or a leather jacket as they need the proper break in time. Regarding getting heat into tires this follows the same idea, only time and friction will put the heat in. I have attached a copy of the brochure so you can read about break in suggestions in the technical area. Ride safe
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First off, Knoche quickly dispatched the old wives' tale that the surface of the tire needs to be scuffed or roughed up to offer grip. "Maybe it's coming from the old days when people were spraying mold release on the tread when the molds were maybe not that precise," Knoche speculates, "and the machinery was not that precise. But nowadays molds are typically coated with Teflon or other surface treatments. The release you put in there (in the sidewall area only, not the tread) is for like baking a cake, you know, so that it fills all the little corners and today that is done more mechanically than by spraying. The sidewall is important because you have all the engraving in the sidewall [with tire size, inflation pressure and certifications] and that you want to look nicely on your tire, so that's why we still spray the mold release there."
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Concerning your question, Michelin has a mold release agent on all motorcycle tires. This will cause the tire to be slippery in the first few miles, but that goes away after the tire is scrubbed in. This normally occurs in the first 25-50 miles or so. Until then, the rider should use caution in riding the tire at accelerated speeds. Michelin always recommends obeying the speed limits and using care whenever riding.
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TractionSkin provides an extremely safe and short tire break in. This is possible due to the revolutionary raw tread surface, which is the result of a new mold coating technology which eliminates the need for tire-release agents.
If thats what you think Im acting like, then you havent read what I stated.
You were wrong about the special coating, but your bustin my balls about my knowledge. All I was doing was qualifying my experience, and in fact stated that it was somewhat dated. I thought that this was a open discussion. Apparently I have insulted you and SG.
Its getting a bit snarky in here. I think I'll step out.
If thats what you think Im acting like, then you havent read what I stated.
You were wrong about the special coating, but your bustin my balls about my knowledge. All I was doing was qualifying my experience, and in fact stated that it was somewhat dated. I thought that this was a open discussion. Apparently I have insulted you and SG.
Its getting a bit snarky in here. I think I'll step out.
Hey man I have the EXACT same problem. Just high frequency buzz above 100mph. As soon as it hits the number it presents itself. Have you figured it out? I am at a loss for a solution. Thanks hope to hear back!Hi everyone.
New member here. I appreciate all the advice and suggestions I've get.
My wife surprised me with an 06 Fz1. I can't tell you enough how much i love the bike…i ever ride her in 26 degrees…
Anyway, here is my problem- as soon as getting closer to 100 mph/ hour the bike starts to shake.I went to my local shop and i told them about it but of course they did not take the bike up to that speed..they adjusted the tire pressure - was very low- and for a while i thought it was fixed…although i never went over 100… now I've got the same issue. I know the recommended tp is 38-42 psi…but i was just wondering…what else could be the issue??
Again, thanks very much for the help in advance!!!!
Btw…are any riders from the new york area??
Thanks