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Officer shoots rider in the back...

I see absolutely nothing in this that could have been considered threatening to the officer. What did I learn from it? My hands go way up high in the air if and when I ever get pulled over again.
 
I just think I'd be shocked to have a cop pull a gun on me at all for a traffic stop. Maybe hand-at-the-ready with the gun, but not pulled and trigger happy. The rider looks stunned about his buddy first and then shocked to turn and see the cop with the gun pulled... but it was less than 2 seconds of shock.

I know a lot of law enforcement people and my Dad was a cop for a number of years. This stuff just doesn't happen. I think the story behind this goes a lot deeper.
 
HELL NO he was not justified in shooting the rider.

but why did he shoot, and then holster the gun only to be shown drawing the gun when he was coming around into view of the camera.

The rider's motions did not look exaggerated to me, just turning his head over right shoulder to see if he was being approached?
 
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Wow that was messed up. Did even seem like he gave him a chance to put his arms up. Seems like there is something missing that we don't know. At least I hope that there is. I would hate to think there are people out there that could actually do something like that
 
This is the most disturbing futage I have ever seen in my life! Usually when you see somone getting chased or gunned down by the police it is during a chase or when the officer's life is put in jeapordy. That was not the case, what you have here is some trigger happy cock that didn't know what he was doing. If it were my choice he would get locked up for life, that is if it was as simple as the clip made it. From what we can see there was absolutly no reason to fire on that man.

I can't say I hate policy officers because I understand the risk they take everyday. In my area, I fear, the police are a lot like this man. They get a hard on evertime something comes over the radio!

My prayers go out to the victum's family, I hope this jerk rots in jail!
 
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Well this is just over the top! Totally unjustified in shooting that man. I can see the officer throwing the book at him for acting like a jerk when he was speeding away, but in no way was he a threat to the officer from what I could see.
 
Bad stuff happens at the witching hour..

He had obviously already decided to pull them over for some reason, that's why he followed them for so long, he was waiting for back up. The other patrol car just happened to be there? I doubt that. Oh wtf ! What fool parked the f''n suv on the side of the road? A-hole proabalby didn't even get a parking ticket. My luck, I would've been towed.. Well, I'll wait to see what comes out in the trial. Either way they are both screwed for life. One paralyized and the other's career and character in the shitter (even if the cop is aquitted he's branded for life- who would trust him???
 
Man I got nothin... I have had my pistol out as many as 4 times on subjects in one day, but it was called for and I was working violent crimes taskforce and hunting down a shooter. And I NEVER fired on anyone (in this country). I see nothing that even remotely justifies deadly force. Maybe a bicth slap on the back of the lid and call him a bone head and tag a ticket from hell on 'em.There are SOME cases where we would even impound the bike for 100mph+ speeds, but not in this case. In my state there is no law that makes a "launch" a traffic violation. Hell, I do it. Got pulled over for it too. I had the fun oppertunity to tell the guy who pulled me over that I can jump to 55mph from a dead stop in 3 seconds and HE was wrong for making a traffic stop with out probible case and I will tell his cheif that he is a retard the next time I see him. "Officer" White was wrong as 2 boys f*cking in the back of a pick up truck. He deseved to be held accountible and fragged accordingly.
 
Justified? From our perspective, No. You're not going to like my response, but being from the career field, I feel wishy-washy on this subject.

Did they do anything wrong? What is the back story? Why was the cop following them? Why did one of them take off? Did the cop order the guy who got shot to put his hands up?

There are a ton of unanswered variables here. It's way to easy to point fingers from this video.

Did the cop overreact and fire? Maybe.

From his point of view, I'm quite sure it looks like the guy is holding a weapon. I had to watch it SEVERAL times to watch hand locations and everything.

We are constantly having to go to "STG" meetings out here, one of the biggest topics are the "OMG's" (Funny name, I know) or Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs. They are a huge problem out here, almost bigger than regular street gangs.

A lot of beat cops have a bad steriotype for anyone on a Harley, if they are not properly FTO'd.

We'll see how this plays out. I feel really bad for the motorcyclist, but I also feel bad for the cop.

Edit: Watch this video [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twqt9nGPPRY"]YouTube- Police shoot man armed with rifle & handgun[/ame]

There use to be a different viewpoint for this. A lot of people flamed the cop for shooting the man, who looked to be giving up and dropping his weapon, little did people know, the man was reaching for another gun. (Which is sort of seen in this video)
 
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I guess I was lucky growing up in a "one horse town" in northern Michigam. If you were caught with alcohol, usually the officer made you dump it, and maybe if you were intoxicated, he may have driven you home to your parents where you had to anser to them. I am quite disturbed about the acts I see on T.V., whether it's on COPS or any other Law enforcement program. It sure looks to me like the protrayal of police officers project the image of "kill before you are killed". When I see scenes where six or more officers all "gang up" on one guy who is already down or incapacitated, I see an ivitation for others to follow suit. I know a lot of police officers, including the City police chief, Sheriff, and State police captain. They are all good officers and their men are also well trained and intelligent people. My neighbor is a sheriff's deputy and he is a great guy. I am licensed to carry but I've never even come close to thinking about pulling my weapon but I'm also very careful not to provoke a situation. I think that's called being a responsible citizen. We all need to remember that our actions can result in dire consequences, whether or not those consequences are warranted or not.
 
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Justified? From our perspective, No. You're not going to like my response, but being from the career field, I feel wishy-washy on this subject.

Did they do anything wrong? What is the back story? Why was the cop following them? Why did one of them take off? Did the cop order the guy who got shot to put his hands up?

There are a ton of unanswered variables here. It's way to easy to point fingers from this video.

Did the cop overreact and fire? Maybe.

From his point of view, I'm quite sure it looks like the guy is holding a weapon. I had to watch it SEVERAL times to watch hand locations and everything.

We are constantly having to go to "STG" meetings out here, one of the biggest topics are the "OMG's" (Funny name, I know) or Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs. They are a huge problem out here, almost bigger than regular street gangs.

A lot of beat cops have a bad steriotype for anyone on a Harley, if they are not properly FTO'd.

We'll see how this plays out. I feel really bad for the motorcyclist, but I also feel bad for the cop.

Edit: Watch this video YouTube- Police shoot man armed with rifle & handgun

There use to be a different viewpoint for this. A lot of people flamed the cop for shooting the man, who looked to be giving up and dropping his weapon, little did people know, the man was reaching for another gun. (Which is sort of seen in this video)
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not trying to start anything, but why would these variables still be shooting worthy if there was no gun? i know all about escalation of force and whatnot, and it is a very difficult place to be. things happen so fast and you have to make split second decisions that could hold one or several lives in the balance, including your own. i just don't think there was any way in this case that it was shooting worthy, no matter what the variables are.
 
Really? Active Shooter training?

If these guys had just commited armed robbery, you don't think that would be an escalating variable?

If the cop had told the man to put his hands on his head, gave several orders, then the man kept his hand on his waist and turned around, you don't think that would have been an escalating variable?

You said, "but why would these variables still be shooting worthy if there was no gun."

If cops banked on there being no gun all the time, we'd have a lot of dead police officers.
 
Based solely on the video, and in my own opinion: The officer did not have any justification to use deadly force, or force of any kind for that matter. The motorcycle riders stopped when signaled to stop and the rider in front of the primary patrol car made no suspicious movements to indicate harmful intent. The rider merely turned around and looked back toward the patrol car two times and probably could not even see the police officer because it was night and the patrol cars headlights and overhead emergency lights would have impaired the riders vision.

The only saving grace for that officer would be if he personally knew these riders and had some prior knowledge that either of them had been involved in a past criminal offense involving firearms or that the individuals fit the physical description of suspects in a recent crime involving firearms. Even with these elements deadly force was still not justified based on what we could see in the video. When a police officer makes contact with an armed person, it does not justify shooting that person unless they are posing a serious threat toward the officer or someone else. Ohio has a concealed carry law, so there are many civilians out there who are carrying handguns, that should not make them targets, it just requires that officers exercise more caution.

I did not hear audio in the video, is there audio available somehwere? Did the guy on the bike threaten the officer? Did he refuse to respond to the offices verbal commands? I would like to hear the audio.

As far as probable cause, I have to disagree with you Sniper. Almost all city and township codified ordinances in the State of Ohio are similar, and almost all of them include Codified Ordinance 331.36 which prohibits excessive acceleration as evidenced by racing the engine and creating a loud/abnormal exhaust note or causing the tires to spin and create a loud squealing sound.

Also, ORC 4511.20 adresses Operation in disregard for the safety of persons and property. This not only applies to the safety others, but also to the safety of the violator and the violators own vehicle. Few judges or juries would dismiss accelerating in 3 seconds from 0 to 55MPH on a public street or road as not meeting elements of ORC 4511.20. If the violation was recorded on video with audio, you could about guarantee a conviction under either law.

Once again, these are just my personal views and opinions. Im just participating in the conversation, not trying to wage a war of words! As Dirty Harry once said "Opinions are like Assholes... everybody has one"!
 
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