loosenut
Wizard
ABS - just say no. I rode all those years off-road honing my braking skills in all kinds of conditions and terrain. I'm not about to throw all that FEEL away for some fancy CPU doodad. Yeah, I know.:banghead:
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super googan
Wizard
Hear what your saying, really . Just think the trade off is worth it on the street. Just to many knuckleheads on the roads ready to make you a hood ornament.......... not to mention the frigging dear in my neck of the woods.
I haven't spent any real time riding a bike with modern ABS, is it that big a loss in feel on the street ?? My style tends to lean toward early lighter braking and accelerating through the corner, now that I've matured a bit ( 43 )
Just don't think braking at over 90% is necessary or safe while having some fun in the twisty stuff. ( safe long term )
These modern ABS systems really take away that much feel when your braking under 90% ???
Dustin
Moderator
I've heard this loss of feel was true for ABS-equipped bikes of 20 years ago but I wonder if it still applies to today's braking systems
Have you ridden any modern ABS bikes? I'd be curious to hear your impressions if so
BourbonNcigars
Well-Known Member
If Kawasaki would do something to reclassify the Ninja 1000 they'd probably sell more. The insurance is crazy high compared to other liter class sport touring bikes (varies by company, of course).
I just bought an '12 FZ1 and would have happily gotten a Ninja instead were it not for the insurance being 4 times as high.
lindy
Well-Known Member
Yeah, I found the same to be true, too when I was looking at Ninja. The FZ1 has stayed under the magical - from insurance point of view - engine size of 1,000 cc. The Ninja is over - at something like 1043 cc. That makes a big difference to many companies.
Then the Ninja has the fairing to replace in a crash - more liability.
But another dumb thing is that they keep calling the bike a "Ninja". That connotes young, squid types - lots of liability. Retaining that "Ninja" name hurts Kawasaki in other ways too, maybe. Many older people - for which the Ninja 1000 is seemingly designed for - hesitate to buy a "kid type" bike with a "Ninja" name plastered on it. It's kind like out of "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles".
I realize that Kawasaki is trying to stay with an old - for them - name. But maybe they could do some customer research and discover these things, to keep from holding back some people from buying. Simple things. A name ..
Now Kaw does have the zx Ninja, and that's fine. The young people go for that low riding position and don't mind the name . But the older guys - for which they seemingly designed the upright riding position Ninja 1000 - don't want to buy a "kid" named bike.
That and the engine size - Kaw is kind of shooting themselves in the foot on the N1000. And it is from a purely marketing point of view.
I checked insurance and found what you did - a large increase for the N1000 over the FZ1. But State Farm doesn't do that to you. A small increase - not much. And that was a quote in writing a few months ago.