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1995 era Ninja 500R

You could get a job bike testing at MCN Dunstin with all those facts & figures your pull out of your .....

I'm going to have to step in and let you both know that these "back and forth" comments are not going to fly here. If you guys need to do this please exchange your personal email addresses and "go at it" off the forum. We want to keep some level of respectability here. Thanks guys in advance.
 
You could get a job bike testing at MCN Dunstin with all those facts & figures your pull out of your .....

Do not belittle a person who knows some facts and figures whether they are personal knowledge gained or researched online and shared. As Billy stated, be respectable here or please don't post.

Thanks.
 
Do not belittle a person who knows some facts and figures whether they are personal knowledge gained or researched online and shared. As Billy stated, be respectable here or please don't post.

Thanks.

Thanks Eric, and in the interest of being fair, the other party involved I believe fired the first shot but at this point we would just like to end it here and now and keep things peaceful.
 
Well now your all making me think differently.

I will be looking at the 250s.

Thanks for the help guys!

And it was nothing against the 250's I just dont know becuase I have never been on one. I learned how to ride on an 800CC Cruiser which was my 01 Suzuki Marauder. Great little cruiser lol


Happy to help, Geno. Hopefully you'll create a new rider for life that you can share all kinds of new experiences with.

Stay safe!
 
It really comes down to whats available when the time comes and whats in my wallet. Right now there is some pocket lint and 12 pennys in there lmao.

So in reality, even say a 2002 Ninja 250, you think that could move enough so that cruising at 80 the bike isnt dieing?


I think you should make a day out of looking at bikes. Go into dealerships with your GF/wife and let her sit on a bike to get an idea of what she likes. Then she can provide input and give you feedback. You can find something similar or if your lucky you can find the models that we have talked about in this thread at dealerships. Then you can be more sure of what she likes when you purchase.
You can also help her pick out a riding jacket and helmet, etc. Kind of make a date out of it. I honestly think this will pay off in the long run because you will have a better idea of what she likes.
 
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I think you should make a day out of looking at bikes. Go into dealerships with your GF/wife and let her sit on bike to get an idea of what she likes. Then she can provide input and give you feedback. You can find something similar or if your lucky you can find the models that we have talked about in this thread at dealerships. Then you can be more sure of what she likes when you purchase.
You can also help her pick out a riding jacket and helmet, etc. Kind of make a date out of it. I honestly think this will pay off in the long run because you will have a better idea of what she likes.

Bike shows are good for that to. If your girl will go (willingly) she's a keeper. Oh, and it's a great opportunity for her to try lots of bike and brands in one spot. Take pictures of her on the bikes, it will help.:tup:
 
Bike shows are good for that to. If your girl will go (willingly) she's a keeper. Oh, and it's a great opportunity for her to try lots of bike and brands in one spot. Take pictures of her on the bikes, it will help.:tup:

Bike shows would be a good idea. Plus you get the added pleasure of seeing everything that is new before it hits the streets.
 
LOL you guys are great! Yeah I am still thinking about the 500 though, shes a fast learner and a very good driver so I dont see the 500 being "too much bike" but we shall see.

Wont be looking until mid March, and that's when I will be taking her to look at everything I see on Craigslist lol.

There are serious deals to be had right now, but I just dont have the cash and I have to sell the Gixxer to make room. Waiting on the title to come in so I can at least put it up for sale. Don't expect it to sell until spring but it will be nice to know at least its for sale.

I really do appreciate the advice guys, this is a great place to post up!
 
How hard do you guys think it would be to start off on an 03 Ninja 600?

I am going to have her sit on my GSXR this weekend to see if the riding position is OK with her, if its not then I will just sell the GSXR Straight out. But someone is offering me a nice green 03 Ninja 600, with cash for the GSXR and she really likes the look of the bike.

I mean she will know how to ride a motorcycle from taking the MSF course to get the licence, so its not like im teaching her HOW to ride a bike, it would just be getting used to it. And assuming she kept it under 10K RPM"s until she got real comfortable wouldnt it be ok or am I just screwed in the head becuase its been a long time since I learned how to ride...?
 
I really wouldn't recommend it. Of course people can start on any bike and do alright, but if you're brand new to motorcycling, a supersport 600 isn't going to be friendly at all.

If you're talking about a 2003 ZX6R (636), that bike is a 120hp beast and will hang pretty well with an FZ1, within reason. Do you really want your girlfriend on a bike like that?

Even if you keep it under 7000rpm, it really is a lot of bike for someone new to learn--it's cumbersome to maneuver, the brakes are touchy (and powerful), the throttle is snappy, etc, etc... it doesn't facilitate learning good technique.

Funny thing, my girlfriend has that exact same bike and she used it basically as her first bike and you could see how scared she was of it. Before we even met, her other riding friends were basically all posers with R6s and Ducatis et al and they all said she should just get a 600 because '250s are gay' and etc, etc.

She's now got that thing sitting in the garage collecting dust and is having a great time on a CBR125R which I got her started riding on. Now, she rides probably 10x more often, commutes on her bike and has WAY more confidence and more smiles while doing so.

While it's easy to say 'it's not what you ride but HOW you ride it', consider that new riders don't have the skill, muscle memory, concentration or knowledge available to actually ride a fast thing slow--it does take skill to keep something under control.
 
I believe I feel the same way. And financially, its a better move for ME as well if I just sell it and buy her a cheaper starter bike...

I was just throwing the idea out there, I don't want anyone to have a bad opinion of me its just been a while since I have started and I don't really know how it would be to just jump into something like that..

However I think I understand as I was afraid of the Gen1 for about a month until I got used to its power coming from a VTX1300R...
 
I agree with Dustin. (no offense, Papa, I know you're just thinking out loud) but snappy throttle and touchy, powerful brakes are unforgiving and intimidating. It's a recipe for no confidence, (thus too scared to ride) or a crash, (thus too scared to ride and a potential injury and/or expensive repairs). How many new riders have grabbed too much throttle or too much brake and payed for it? I'd guess nearly all of them (me too).

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Yeah, these guys may not be my exact point, but they were my funny points...

Reduce the potential for bad things to happen, give a buffer zone for the mistakes. I know if my wife unexpectedly twists the throttle all the way on the Ninja 250, she has a great chance to handle it, even out of a corner. Not true on super sport bikes with over 100hp. She's already grabbed too much front brake with the wheel turned on a tiny bit of sand at 2mph in a parking lot and laid it over.

I'm not saying someone can't learn, ride and love it on a powerful, sporty bike, but the chances to find the fun vs chances to find terror are weighted in the wrong direction, IMHO. I think we sometimes forget what fun a small bike can be, not to mention the joy of 'moving up' to a bigger bike. There's really not too much to move up to by the time you get to the FZ1. There's the true crotch rockets with more power and higher top ends, i.e. R1, Busa, etc, but really, the FZ1 is close to the top of the food chain.

My wife loves her '09 Ninja 250 and is still building confidence. I even catch myself pushing her toward a bigger bike, like the FZ6R, FZ8 and Ninja 650. I really didn't want her to start that small, but after I've seen her confidence grow and the pure smiles and desperate desire to ride, I realize that the best starter bike is the bike that gives the most confidence. I feel, even if we loose some money, and she wants to 'upgrade' in a year or two, the confidence and desire to ride are well worth the expense. :2cents:

PS I hope I didn't sound to preachy, but I guess I'm just an old man now. I want to slap kids with 'Bieber hair' too...
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***I mean she will know how to ride a motorcycle from taking the MSF course to get the licence, so its not like im teaching her HOW to ride a bike, it would just be getting used to it. ***

am I just screwed in the head becuase its been a long time since I learned how to ride...?

Geno, I know you're thinking out loud, but this scares the poop out of me.

It's all about her confidence riding the bike, not just knowing how a clutch and gears and brakes work. To suggest that passing the MSF course means she knows how to ride is unrealistic (to put it mildly).

I'll put my wife up against ANY rider who has passed only the MSF course and has a license, and she will perform better in low speed as well as emergency braking, direction changes, and just about everywhere else. My wife will not get her license until next Spring when she's scheduled for the course, but has put on over 500 miles with instruction, mostly below 25mph.

I'm speaking from experience, having worked with so many new riders who have passed the course and couldn't operate a motorcycle as well as someone who has been trained by someone for a longer duration and with more intense personal instruction, like my wife (and probably Dustin's as well).

Time and experience are what makes a rider a better rider, not the license that the MSF or State provide. Practice, practice, practice. Then in the Spring, practice some more to clean off the rust. I do the same myself, all the time. Even at track days, I find after a significant period of time off I'm practically re-learning every corner each year, even on tracks I've ridden frequently.

If she tries the bike and doesn't handle it, she may never ride again. Better to start too small than on anything that could in any way be too large, and I'm including the 500.

I'm also not preaching, but any rider who isn't having fun isn't going to ride, and anyone who thinks a license equals ability is destined to be proven wrong. Ask any teenager who's had an accident.

Conversely, look at racing at the junior levels across the world. These kids are 12-14 years old and could never acquire a license, but would easily out perform just about all of us in any riding situation. Never forget the difference.

I hope this was politically correct enough, and I just want to add that if the people here didn't care about you, your GF, developing a permanent new rider, and all things motorcycling in general we'd all tell you to get her the ZX6 so you could ride it, too. I don't think you'll find the people here willing to blatantly allow their personal preferences to overcome their rationality.

Keep us posted, and stay safe.
 
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Yeah I am going to be getting her a starter bike and go from there. But she is still unsure of this whole thing if she even wants one. She is going to take the course, and if she likes actually riding it on her own I will get her something. If she doesn't I just explained to her she can come with me sometimes but not all the time as I want to have some fun too and that is not going to happen riding 2 up.

I really hope she likes it as I am going to feel bad leaving at night to go riding and leaving her at home... LOL
 
Papa, I started on an EX500 and had absolutely no issues. I thought it was a fantastic learner bike.

The people who are new to riding and are not the least bit scared about riding are the ones that worry me. If she has a level head, is a little nervous and has even an ounce of instinct for self preservation any bike will do. if she is an absolute maniac get her a 50.
 
If she has a level head, is a little nervous and has even an ounce of instinct for self preservation any bike will do.

Hail, would you then consider an FZ1 a decent starting point for someone mostly conservative but looking for their first bike?

I think all things within reason, and a ZX6R isn't.
 
Hail, would you then consider an FZ1 a decent starting point for someone mostly conservative but looking for their first bike?

I think all things within reason, and a ZX6R isn't.

I am not one of those people that believes everyone has to start on a 250. I truly believe it depends on the person.

Most accidents for new riders are not caused by raw power of the bike they are on. They are caused by poor judgement, lack of attention to surroundings and target fixation in corners (and not even railing through corners). Those problems exist no matter what bike you ride as your first.

Women are usually much more conservative and not trying to pop wheelies off the show room floor.

That being said. My wife starts only on a 250 but I know for a fact she likes to go really fast. ;)

EDIT for future readers: While I do not believe everyone should start on a 250. I definitely agree with Brian that a SuperSport 600 is definitely not the best first bike. Before considering a Super Sport, if one had to have a 600+ cc bike, I would look at an SV650, Kawa Ninja 650 or the Yamaha FZ6R.
 
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