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1000 cc, Why?

Interesting thread...

First off, I do not pass on a double yellow either - I'm just not in THAT much of a rush... I do admit that I'll drop the hammer a little more often than I should, but I'm normally a cautious rider. Top speed is not important to me, just acceleration...

Second, this 1000cc bike is one of the smallest bikes I've owned. My last bike, GL1800, was almost twice the size (cc's) and also had 150hp. I wanted to be absolutely sure I had enough "freeway entrance" power since I ride two-up often with my wife.

And lastly, male insecurity...
I can admit it - it's an ego thing - I don't NEED 150hp, but I want it.
 
I've got no issues with this thread... it is mostly opinions, not members trying to drive their opinion down another's throat and seems to be a clean debate over a common subject. No worries!

My wife and I road about 175 miles today and got stuck behind slow-arse tourists but we didn't pass until it was legal and safe to do so. We did bend the speeding laws a bit but only for brief periods (until we ran up the arse of the next tourist!) but it wasn't ludicrous speeds.... ;) We had what I call a "Socially Spirited Run" when we had the opportunity.
 
amevl said:
.How many people on here text while driving? talk on the phone?dont wear helmets? drink and ride? but wont pass on a double yellow
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I don't even look at my Blackberry in the cage. Whatever it is for a text, msg, email or call, it can wait until I stop someplace. I lived for years without a "phone" in the car and I still practice that unless I have the BT headset or linked with the Garmin as a speaker phone. Only then will I answer calls because it is hands-free.

Helmet... ALWAYS! ATGATT Guy to the extreme. I don't mount that ride without full gear... no matter the temperature. "I'd rather sweat than bleed!"

#1 rule for me... out on the bike? No alcohol allowed unless I am stopped for the night. Even then, it's only a few beers and a good nights sleep. Just say NO to drinking and riding! :D

And still no double yellows... today I did pass in a legal spot but was a few feet shy of getting back over before the solid (my side) broken (oncoming side) appeared. But there was zero oncoming traffic. Believe me, there were MANY times where it would have been easy to overtake cars in double yellow situations today but why take any chance? Sit back and enjoy the ride... :yes:
 
Reading these answers has me more convinced it's a regional thing. There are some places that must provide ample passing opportunities. I happen to live in a place where there are few passing opportunities.

I don't mind being stuck behind a car once in a while. It's the things I can't see around or through that make me insecure and then I pass them at the first safe chance I get, passing yellow or not. If I'm on a road that I know has passing yellows, I wait for and use them.

If I get caught passing on the double yellows or speeding or whatever law I've decided not to obey I don't mind suffering the consequences. I generally try to obey the law because I do not want to suffer the consequences.

There are degrees to the severity of offenses. Passing on the double yellow and attempted manslaughter are in different categories, one is worse than the other.

I'd like to say that I pass more or less because I have a 1000cc motorcycle but it ain't true. I'll pass you if I'm on my 800cc vtwin "sport" standard or my 1000cc FZ missle or a little 125cc (if I thought I could safely make the pass) if I am so inclined. I think having the power of the 1000cc just suits my inclinations more.
 
Ok forget all this stuff and lets just string up Johnny cause that just sounds like good old fashioned fun!!! Nothing like the misery and suffering of another human being to raise the spirits!!! Not to mentionJOTR admitted he was the second gunman in the grassy knoll!
 
Oh, FYI friends, a LOT of speed limits that are set, are NOT set for "safety" reasons, nor are they the recommended speeds set by calculations and engineers. More and more things are becoming about revenue. Some cities make MILLIONS on traffic citations, especially speeding tickets. I've read several articles on cities around here lowering limits in some places in order to increase revenue. Conversely they talk about raising highway speeds to 80mph. I wouldn't consider that safe.
The original question of why 1000 cc, because I LIKE it.
The question of whether or not you would pass on a double yellow, it all depends on the situation. If I deem it necessary, or safer for myself, then hell yes. Am I an adult capable of making such a decision? Um YEA. Let's just allow others to be who and what they are, and refrain from passing judgments shall we?
 
amevl said:
Ok forget all this stuff and lets just string up Johnny cause that just sounds like good old fashioned fun!!! Nothing like the misery and suffering of another human being to raise the spirits!!! Not to mentionJOTR admitted he was the second gunman in the grassy knoll!
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Excellent idea! Let's just let the "mob" mentality take over...lol. I'll bring the rope :th_smiley_rotfl2[1]
 
As due punishment for my sins I'am being forced to spent the next week in Deals Gap with Amevl ( I'am bringing my chastity belt for safety reasons). The only thing I am allowed to ride is his beat up Kymco 125 scooter. He says if I'am good I can also use the remnants of a Big Wheel left over from the gravity races.
 
I would like to thank Johnny for his candor and hitting the resonant frequency of human morality. I have always seen people in many different ways, none of which are the usual measuring stick of character. One of those ways is what I call "rules" people. This is Norm's personal view. I'm not trying to pass this off as anything legitimate, only one man's thoughts. Rules people obey the law blindly, as if the laws were made by God him/herself. They tend to be holier than thou, looking at others who disobey to be of lesser quality or character. They are also less insightful to their own behavior. Such a person may ride a motorcycle. They are engaging in an activity that by and large is viewed by the adult population as excessively dangerous, costly to society because it contains absolutely none of the modern era safety features that are mandated in cars such as seat belts, metal cages that completely surround the driver, 4 wheels, ABS, firewall, crumple zones, air bags, and more. They have questioned why they as a society should pay the costs of higher healthcare, large emergency room deductibles, etc due to greater motorcycle morbidity and mortality. Yet the rules people will look at others, who have slightly more risk tolerance than them (go faster on the motorcycle, ride without gear, etc) as "crazy."

Please, I am by no means directing this post at any one of your responses. This is directed at my perception of human behavior in general. I don't judge anyone at the level that we are talking at here. Pass a double yellow? That's your business. I've done it and I'll do it again. Homicidal maniac in a truck: That guy is a menace to society. I only judge people by the kindness they're willing to extend or the malice they go out of their way to deliver. Johnny has asked all of us to look inside themselves and ask what makes them tick. He took a moment to re-evaluate his position and came to see that he actually lives by another set of rules. A set that I too happen to live by. When he asks: Why a 1000cc's he's really asking you to evaluate your own risk averse or risk willing behavior. We all have our tolerances. In these wide open spaces where these two bikers were steaming along it was unlikely they were endangering anyone but themselves. They had good visibility for pedestrians and more than likely would have killed themselves if a pedestrian happened to get in their way because they would have tried to avoid them, and in doing so, would likely have crashed. I've flown down Lexington Avenue in New York City inside a cab that missed dozens pedestrians by inches or feet more than a few times. The cab driver's objective is to scare them back to the sidewalk. It cracks me up every time. I don't judge the cab driver. He/she's doing the best job they know how and they're doing what they think you want them to do, which is to get to your destination fast.

Rules are rules, laws are laws. They were made by man, not God. In the end you have to sleep with yourself. Are you happy with the way you live your life. Judge less. Look inside yourself more. It's painful, but it's the only way I do things.
 
Couple more things to think about. The law says I can carry a gun. I do have one. Why, because it seemed like I was the only one that didn't have one. Personally I think this is insanity in this day in age. I think every Canadian and European would agree with me. I'm likely to get torched by a lot of Americans for saying it though.

The law says that if the cops catch you driving without a seatbelt they can ticket you. Yet I can ride a dangerous motorcycle with no helmet and no seatbelt in NH, no problem.

Once again, I ask you to think carefully about the laws and how you, personally, view them, deep down inside your own morality.
 
Well said, I know I will be thinking hard about the way I ride and kindness I extend to other while I'm on the road or life in general for the matter
 
Norm, you obviously have a lot of respect for the others that you ride with because even though I know you pass on the double yellow when riding alone or with some of your other friends, you've never done so with myself or Michele in tow. Of course, if you did, well, you'd be out there riding on your own until I could pass legally and find you. ;)

So, I will add to your own personal rules that "First, you are considerate of the company that you ride with before engaging in such rules that might be offensive to them."

Myself, when I am about to "turn it loose," I first warn the others I am riding with... "I'm about to go wild. Please do not try and keep up or mimic my behavior. I will wait for you at the next intersection." And off I go... Norm knows this but Norm also does a really good job of keeping up. ;)
 
You're right Eric. If I'm leading even one person I don't want to do anything that would influence them into a bad decision or dangerous situation. I'm usually cognizant of the riding ability of the people with me as well. It's always best when I ride with someone with a very similar riding style, like you. I'm most dangerous to myself when I ride myself.
 
Norm said:
Couple more things to think about. The law says I can carry a gun. I do have one. Why, because it seemed like I was the only one that didn't have one. Personally I think this is insanity in this day in age. I think every Canadian and European would agree with me. I'm likely to get torched by a lot of Americans for saying it though.

The law says that if the cops catch you driving without a seatbelt they can ticket you. Yet I can ride a dangerous motorcycle with no helmet and no seatbelt in NH, no problem.

Once again, I ask you to think carefully about the laws and how you, personally, view them, deep down inside your own morality.
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LMAO!!!!
I tried real hard to not open the can of worms that Norm just opened. LOL However, now that the can is open ........ :D I can say Thank you Norm - because I have been itching to "Go there" with this thread.
There are several laws that are revenue generating. Pure and simple. Do you think that the states care if we wear seat belts? LOL Think again!!! I read somewhere what the actual amount of money produced from seatbelt tickets was - IT WAS HUGE!!!! We could feed a small country with that kind of money!!! Isn't it strange that we are kept safe by fining us money? Why not volunteer time? Charity work? Community Service? Even Big Brother/Big Sister? Come on ...... This is obvious. Now I know that most of us had RATHER pay a fine but I'm just making my point that money is collected in this process of "Keeping us safe" by wearing seatbelts.
Separate Point: There is a trend in Texas that has me FURIOUS!!!
Interstate Hiways were designed to move things/ people across the country in the fastest manner possible. That is why they were made! I have recently seen sections of Interstate that have a reduced speed limit for the section of road that is in their jurisdiction. LOL That is PURE REVENUE GRABBING!!!!! It goes against the basic principles of mass transit so whatever local government can issue speeding tickets. :stirpot: (The other forum has a symbol for horse sh*t) LOL
So I'm with a date and it's getting close to midnight. She is driving and with the cruise on 65 and we get lit up. My date actually suffered from knowing the road too well and not paying attention - so she didn't see the new speed limit postings. The speed limit was 55mph for a small section ....... a cop just happened to be sitting there with a radar gun. Isn't that amazing?!?! My friend went off!!! This is a real good example of a law that is not there to protect anyone - it's just there to make money.
Now that I have mentioned a few examples I will agree that most laws are there to protect people and most policemen are fair/ do a good job of being respectful and enforcing the law.
 
Norm said:
I would like to thank Johnny for his candor and hitting the resonant frequency of human morality. I have always seen people in many different ways, none of which are the usual measuring stick of character. One of those ways is what I call "rules" people. This is Norm's personal view. I'm not trying to pass this off as anything legitimate, only one man's thoughts. Rules people obey the law blindly, as if the laws were made by God him/herself. They tend to be holier than thou, looking at others who disobey to be of lesser quality or character. They are also less insightful to their own behavior. Such a person may ride a motorcycle. They are engaging in an activity that by and large is viewed by the adult population as excessively dangerous, costly to society because it contains absolutely none of the modern era safety features that are mandated in cars such as seat belts, metal cages that completely surround the driver, 4 wheels, ABS, firewall, crumple zones, air bags, and more. They have questioned why they as a society should pay the costs of higher healthcare, large emergency room deductibles, etc due to greater motorcycle morbidity and mortality. Yet the rules people will look at others, who have slightly more risk tolerance than them (go faster on the motorcycle, ride without gear, etc) as "crazy."

Please, I am by no means directing this post at any one of your responses. This is directed at my perception of human behavior in general. I don't judge anyone at the level that we are talking at here. Pass a double yellow? That's your business. I've done it and I'll do it again. Homicidal maniac in a truck: That guy is a menace to society. I only judge people by the kindness they're willing to extend or the malice they go out of their way to deliver. Johnny has asked all of us to look inside themselves and ask what makes them tick. He took a moment to re-evaluate his position and came to see that he actually lives by another set of rules. A set that I too happen to live by. When he asks: Why a 1000cc's he's really asking you to evaluate your own risk averse or risk willing behavior. We all have our tolerances. In these wide open spaces where these two bikers were steaming along it was unlikely they were endangering anyone but themselves. They had good visibility for pedestrians and more than likely would have killed themselves if a pedestrian happened to get in their way because they would have tried to avoid them, and in doing so, would likely have crashed. I've flown down Lexington Avenue in New York City inside a cab that missed dozens pedestrians by inches or feet more than a few times. The cab driver's objective is to scare them back to the sidewalk. It cracks me up every time. I don't judge the cab driver. He/she's doing the best job they know how and they're doing what they think you want them to do, which is to get to your destination fast.

Rules are rules, laws are laws. They were made by man, not God. In the end you have to sleep with yourself. Are you happy with the way you live your life. Judge less. Look inside yourself more. It's painful, but it's the only way I do things.
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Very well said Norm and I agree 100%.
As long as you don't endanger other people, ride how you want.
 
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